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Jesus H. Christ. I sometimes fall into the trap of thinking that progressivism didn’t really take root until after 1965. Reading things like this surely frees me of that trap . . .
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It’s especially difficult to explain from the Blame-it-all-on-the-Joos Theory.
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Yikes. The holier-than-Jesus pharisees have morphed into this movement.
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“Chairman John J. Foster Dulles”
Meaning you have to agree with Robert Welch that the Cold War was a sham and Ike a Commie. But then all true Moldbuggians believe the aforementioned.
How Jouz saw JFD in the 1950s:
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fnn:
You misstate, or lie, depending on your motive. Moldbug said that the State Dept., including Commie spies, sincerely tried to make the Soviets another client of the USA. At some point in the Fifties, the State Dept. realized it probably wasn’t going to happen, and teamed up to sincerely fight the Cold War alongside the Yale men at the CIA.
USG is usually sincere and open, not conspiratorial, in its quest to inflict Progressivism on the world.
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“Scharlach”
The 1960s were a watershed moment for that political group, due to the Roman Church’s Vatican II liberalising reforms. The U.S. has been progressive since before its founding if we are going to be proper about it. Giving the merchant class access to the mostly empty North American continent gave the third estate too much power and thus it overwhelmed the first and second estates. There’s no mystery after sifting the history.
Best regards,
A.J.P.
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“There’s no mystery after sifting the history.” These are fitting words for a comment thread from last summer…
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I’m genuinely confused. Not by the article, as such, but by the fact that it was posted here.
What truth does this article demonstrate, that makes it so infamous? Did I blink during something dramatic Progressives have swept under the carpet?
I can see from the comments that there is something here I’m missing.
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Muga: You seem like a genuinely good fellow, so let me put this as kindly as I can: WHAT PART OF 1942 DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND? Extra Credit: What part of Federal Council of Churches do you not understand?
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Good grief! I hadn’t known about this. A conference on how the USA should start bending over in the peace for a war which, to Americans, was only four moths old and far, far from looking like it was winnable. Boy were these folks anxious.
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Thanks for stopping by Dr. Briggs. Moldbug refers to this article as catching the worm in the act of turning. Indeed it was a war that American’s even 6 months prior were not well-disposed to participate in, in spite of FDR’s best (often illegal) efforts to goad the Krauts & Japs. The Germans never did fall for it; the Japanese were too medieval to resist the almost constant State Department barrage on their honor.
But voila, these “super-protestant” leaders had a plan in their back pocket… almost like they knew what would happen in advance. Funny that.
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In the early forties there was already a well established Protestant opposition to the WCC/NCC. In 1941, Carl McIntire founded an international organization The International Council of Christian Churches to fight ecumenism. Its largely defunct now, but back in the early 90’s I attended their convention and met McIntire, then very old.
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Certainly. I grew up Fundamentalist Baptist and our preachers were always going on and on about the WCC, the UN, one world gov’t. But since conservative denominations were always the one to spin off their more powerful mainlines, we can infer where the protestant power, even when not the raw number of congregants, lay.
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