What do these Jews:
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Have in common with these Jews?
- Exceptionally well-dressed? Yes.
- Ashkenazi genes? Yes.
- Non-mellifluous voices? Yes.
- Pretty big noses? Yes.
- Being pretty good at gaming the system? Yes (with wildly disparate net outcomes)
- High verbal IQ? Probably.
- Lack of respect or honor for manual labor? Probably.
- Indifference or hostility to Christian culture? Probably.
- Religious commitments? No.
- Traditional ways of life? No.
- Political activism? No.
- Hands on the levers of international power? No.
- Blending into the wider culture with seams visible only to the well-trained eye? No.
- Likelihood of out-marriage of selves or children? No.
- Birthrates? No.
The first thing I always trip over with the Jewish Question is all the really scary Jews (like Soros, Groucho Marx, Lenny Bruce, Alan Ginsberg, Ron Jeremy, Howard Stern) don’t really seem to live very Jewish lives. At all. They may be stereotypically Jewish in other ways of course. This needs to be fleshed out.
The Jews have punched above their weight class in contributing to cultural and civic decline. But of those famous enough to name in the entertainment and finance industries, they seem really not Jewish.
So “the Jews”, as a whole, may be a threat. Certain Jews are certainly a threat. But which Jews and why? Can we quantify this threat statistically? Are they more a threat than other high-functioning ethnic and religious minorities (HFERMs)? Is it merely the Jewish genes, or are these destabilizing tendencies present in other HFERMs?
I know what kind of Jews I consider a threat and it isn’t the Hasidim. Of course, I might not think the Hasidim make the greatest neighbors either. But I don’t think they do, or even could, control and direct a significant fraction of global wealth. In fact, when I look at these kinds of Jews, you know… the really Jewish Jews, they’re living pretty much the life I would lead if I were living in country with a culture hostile to my own. Which in fact I do.
Brooks Bayne says name one Jewish Reactionary. Well I know a few, but only one of them has become semi-famous for being reactionary (and he’s only semi-Jew). That’s assuming we don’t count Paul Gottfried, who’s pretty damn reactionary really—just not as reactionary as Brooks. But to be honest, there aren’t that many reactionary gentiles either. What do we take from this? I don’t know. That’s a different question.
Moldbug says if America takes its hand away from the Middle East, Israel wins. Ergo America is, on net, anti-Israel. Is that true? It seems more than plausible to me. And a whole lot cheaper. No more “Death to America” is just a bonus as far as I’m concerned. I’d be quite happy for America to rid itself of Israel once and for all. If they want to turn the West Bank into a sea of glass, what business is it of mine?
PS. This is not the post I started out writing. At all. I’m not even sure that’s possible…
I don’t have anything against Orthodox Jews because, as you say, they are behaving as I would expect a religious/ethnic group to behave. The fact that Christians, especially white Christians, aren’t clannish isn’t necessarily something good that I think others should emulate. However, I just want to point out one quick thing. When you say:
They are politically-active – and very smart about it, too – when it suits their purposes to be so. And really, why shouldn’t they be? Consider:
http://nymag.com/news/features/east-ramapo-hasidim-2013-4/
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Well, I didn’t mean to imply that the orthodox have zero political activism, only that it was quite distinct from the levels of activism of the secular caste. Sure, the orthodox are more political than the Amish, but heckuva lot less and at much lower levels than say NOW or some other largely Jewish outfit.
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Seems obvious that they are.
Jews are better adapted than other groups to the hostile outsider role. In fact they are so well adapted to it that when they return to Israel, they are apt to continue in that role, remaining psychologically and spiritually in exile – for example seeking a religious exemption from combat even though the old testament and the early Talmud is perfectly clear that all adult Hebrew males, with a very few exceptions, have a religious obligation to fight for Israel when summoned to do so by legitimate authority.
Compare another high functioning ethnic minority, the Japanese in America. When conscripted to fight against Japan, they never dreamed of arguing that they should be exempt. Serving was an honor – possibly a quite unwanted honor, but an honor nonetheless.
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I have known, liked, enjoyed and admired many Jews. They are funny and smart and implacably opposed to much that I hold dear. I do not hate them, I simply recognize that they are my opponent and they are really good at the game.
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Aren’t the hasidim themselves pretty reactionary? They’re rarely (neo)reactionary as a matter of explicit political orientation, but their way of life and values put them firmly in the reactionary camp, and they’ve agitated politically for their right to continue in that lifestyle when threatened. Occasionally one does see them in strategic alliances with leftists (often through liberal-Jewish proxies), but this strikes me more as them cleverly exploiting the white guilt of the ruling class than as actually being on the left.
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Jim. Good point but what about high-caste Indians (e.g., Anil Dash)? I’ve met not a few who wear progressivism like a fscking halo.
Alice: Thanks for visiting!! I’d have to say I feel about the same way. There are, however, some Jews (and half-Jews) who seem very much on “our side” here… I’d very much like to keep a chair for them.
Mai: Also thanks for visiting!! Yeah, ya think? They are very much like Amish socially and religiously, only a bit more worldly wise. The heavily orthodox regions of Brooklyn and Queens always go big time for GOP in the otherwise solid Blue NYC. Not that that means a whole lot.
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If the Hasidim favored going to Israel, favored serving in the Israeli armed forces, and favored Israel for the Jews, rather than this equal rights stuff where Muslims get to elect Muslim trouble makers to parliament, then they would be pretty reactionary.
Jews are often accused of opposing ethno nationalism for whites, and supporting ethno nationalism for Jews. The former accusation is true. The latter accusation is not nearly true enough.
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Israel doesn’t actually figure much into the Death To America calculus. AQ itself counts as it’s strongest spiritual influence Said Qutb, who visited the United States in 1948-1950 and became convinced we were the focus of evil in the world. You know, like say the Jews. That’s the 40s. This was the MB’s leading theorist, and AQ – all of them – come from the MB. The Cathedral playing social engineer for the Shah in Iran didn’t help either [also the beginning of Iran’s nuke program was MIT under the Shah..heh heh]. The Cathedral playing social engineer pisses people off no end, and Iranians are no exception.
If Israel disappeared they’d need another enemy, for the hole in the Muslim Heart caused by the fall of the Caliphate in 1924 and their enmity with the modern for 1000 years, indeed their enmity with reason as we understand it is the root of the issue. We’re never going to get anything but death to _____ The West itself from such people. Reason did not have a Catholic peace with Faith in the Islamic world, it quite lost. “The Incoherence of the Philosophers”. It matters not that Allah seems quite mad, he’s God and can do as he likes. [[== I’m correct in this summation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sayyid_Qutb#Two_Years_in_America
[I wonder if you could spare me snarks about we are the root of evil?] No we’re not. We’re both very powerful and very weak minded, and it’s mainline Protestantism that did us in. That was the destruction of our immune system that let the pathogens run wild.
You should consider that our own have done as much damage as the Jews, and weak willed as we are – our ancestors would have settled sex education with violence – if it wasn’t the Jews it would certainly be someone else. The price it seems of civility and perhaps civilization is weakness and being prey. It’s entirely too high.
What you list here are one of many pathogens at loose, our problem is entirely too white people.
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We have to be men again and assert ourselves that’s all.
The levers of power must remain in American hands, this being the fatal mistake. Utter idiocy to let foreigners – such as above – to hold the levers of power which are of course not just political. There’s a difference between basic rights and holding the levers, power is never a right. Power requires training and trustworthiness. What is above cannot be trusted to pursue any interests outside their own. But in a frenzy of Protestant righteousness the avenues to power were thrown open. In a fevor of righteousness the cities were turned into the 3d world, in the continuing nihilistic righteousness the now godless and unmoored soldiers of Jesus [whom they are holier than] weakened and would open the borders to the world, and strive to…the Libertarian impulse to level the defenses and dream some form of property rights suffices as a defense, the Libertarian impulse to purify of all things governance now what is this? It is the angels trumpet being sounded without the chorus of heaven.
Now we didn’t talk or reason our way into this pickle, we were weak and listened to women and traitors, raiders within our own gates. Nor do I suspect that withdrawing from the world is ever a good plan, the world and it’s predations remain conserved, now as sovereign.
We have work to do, some are more unencumbered than others. We must hold the levers again, and hopefully posterity will mark never to surrender them again. The people need Tribunes, Stewards, leaders and this is all now lacking. Their quite aware of their predictament, only leadership is lacking.
And for those who choose to be American and you know it when you see it, full rights.
The Levers are right now you know in the hands of none. What is at top has enormous position in law, finance, public opinion, somewhat in academia. None now hold them in truth, the bureaucracy is governing without and in spite of the Executive and legislative. That we haven’t had a worthy executive since Bush 1st is no small driver of increasingly desperate actions by the permanent government including our very own monarchists here at NRxn. That’s self interest at work. So yes the top group is looting. That seems to be their entire focus now. However..who isn’t looting, except for Joe Q Public the Family Guy?
We need to take, take, TAKE back the Levers and American hands hold them for the remainder of our watch. Our watch being what Life is, our turn and that’s all.
The levers will remain conserved in the hands of those who take them back and can hold them, we may hope wisely. For those whom hope is not a plan….action.
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I’ve always like the terms Charles Hugh Smith uses: Rentier Elites and Underclass instead of Jews and Blacks. Of course not all rentier elites or even majority of them are actually Jewish. The influence of Jews on elite opinion is huge. If puritanism is the root of today’s liberalism, then Jews had a large role in helping to completely divorce puritanism from any vestige of Christianity and helped remake it as the cathedral we know today. The key question for reaction is how to build an elite or would be elite that provides an alternative to the synopsis. If an economic collapse should take place as a result of excessive leverage and mal-investment, and the elites pursue the same policies in the aftermath we get nowhere. Elites, both Jewish and non-Jewish, have profited from the ongoing erosion of the middle class. We need to find a way to get them to change their minds. In plain simple terms reaction needs smart Jewish guys.
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I find it amusing that Sayyid Qutb went to Greeley, CO, a town a few miles down the road from where my parents live. It’s a quiet, rural place, and I imagine that in 1950 it was even more so. Now, of course it’s succumbed to the kind of rot that tends to afflict small towns these days, meth and single motherhood.
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“Aren’t the hasidim themselves pretty reactionary? They’re rarely (neo)reactionary as a matter of explicit political orientation, but their way of life and values put them firmly in the reactionary camp”
Sure they’re reactionary. But there is no “reactionary camp”. Reactionaries, especially reactionaries from different cultures / civilizations, aren’t always on the same team. That’s not to imply that the Hasidim are on somebody else’s team, as far as I know they’re just on their own team.
Contrast with progressives who are, to a non-trivial extent, all on the same team.
More reactionary unity would be nice, but it seems that many groups, Hasidim included, would be difficult to entice into our particular reactionary camp.
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Interestingly Hasidic Judaism (which most people think of when they think of Orthodox Judaism)
is a much newer religion than Rabbinical Judaism proper. As Hasidic Judaism was a reaction to the mystical Judaism which lead the vast majority of Jewish communities proclaimed Sabbatai Zevi the Messiah (and which has a much better claim to being among the forerunners of modern leftism via the Haskalah). Woody Allen may actually be, in a sense, more Jewish than the Orthodox.
Incidentally, I am a Catholic convert reactionary, but my father is a Brooklyn Jew. Although, my mother was raised Catholic (I’m pretty sure she still believes in God, but in the modern middle of the road vaguely feminist way.) I very rarely saw any of the few relatives I have on my father’s side, I never celebrated any of the Jewish holidays or self-identified as Jewish (except maybe self-indulgently while watching Schindler’s List or something) or lived in a Jewish community or had more than one or two Jewish friends at a time. On the other hand, Jews sometimes think I’m Jewish because of my last name and say weird vaguely conspiratorial things to me. So there’s a data point for you.
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