The brilliant, prolific, and semi-pseudonymous Scott S. Alexander who blogs at Slate Star Codex and contributes, under the alternate handle, Yvain, at Less Wrong has delivered a 33,000+ word rebuttal (a book by most standards) to the reactionary theses as articulated by worthies Moldbug and Michael Anissimov.
Alexander (Yvain) calls his piece The Anti-Reactionary FAQ, in which he attempts to answer several key reactionary questions:
- Is everything getting worse? No.
- Are traditional monarchies better places to live? No.
- What is progress? Natural force of history.
- Could a country be ruled as a joint-stock corporation? Not well.
- Are modern ideas about race and gender wrongheaded and dangerous?
Almost certainly not.
Anissimov has posted a preliminary rebuttal here, but much heavy lifting remains yet to be done.
His point 5 (“We’re making darn good progress on race and gender”) really ought to be seen, from the reactionary perspective, as a proper subset of point 1 (“Things really are getting better”). For when you look into the reactionary claim, “Things are getting worse”, divorce and family dysfunction are usually near the top of the list. And the divorce statistics are undeniably bad and disproportionately affect those who can least afford dysfunction (the lower classes).
I think what is missing from the “Things are (or are not) getting worse” discussion is the metaphysical: things (cities, architecture, fine art) and culture (popular art, human interactions) are uglier, more banal, more crude—more sinful. Of course, these attributes are much harder to quantify for empirical study. (I’m not certain they cannot be, but I’m not certain they can either.) I suppose this is why both Anissimov and Alexander have tended to avoid them thus far in the debate.
But I think this is the lynch-pin to the form of reaction taken by most religious traditionalists. We know, in our souls, this world is fucked up. We may not have all the evidence together; we may not even be able to articulate the up-fuckedness very well; it could be that the time-constants, the half-life as it were, in the evolution of culture and social interaction are so long that by the time anyone thinks to measure them or figures out how, a society is already doomed. But we know man was not made for this <insert bad shit>, irrespective of what surveys and government provided data might say.
In part 2, Alexander conducts a thought experiment between Progressive (South Korea) and Reactionary (North Korea) ideals. It is literally a category error: there are no reactionary ideals. Period. It’s like comparing Progressive circles (round ones) to Reactionary circles (square ones). North Korea may have a plausibly reactionary scheme of succession, but only because it’s a strange (demonic) blend of radically egalitarian revolutionary fervor grafted onto a basically Confucian people. And hell, a society’s gotta run… even Somalia has government(s). Everything else about North Korea is revolutionary in the blackest of spades. South Korea is Progressive, to be sure, just like all well-behaved US provinces. But the reactionary would say the North is far more so. So much so, they no longer march in lock-step with the evolutionary path Progressivism has taken in the last 50 years.
Reactionary is to be against Revolution. That is all it means.
In his part 3, Alexander clearly doesn’t get the Cathedral concept nor the memetic nature of the religion of Progressivism. At first, Alexander seems to get that it’s not an active or conscious conspiracy, but then later falls into the trap of deriding reactionaries for believing in a conspiracy, involving academics or something. No. The meme complex adapts and propagates for its own occult ends, either killing off or (more often) neutering near competitors.
It’s likely that a religious skeptic of Alexander’s IQ simply cannot understand how religious views propagate at all among neurologically normal people. If you could show empirically that reactionary claims were more likely to be the truth, Scott Alexander would probably be on board, whereas a person of 115 IQ would likely be immune to such claims. Progressivism, like most religions, and certainly all Protestant ones, provide the biggest differential status gains to the midwitted, who are not likely to give them up in light of mere, and fundamentally tentative, evidence.
In his conclusion, he absolutely misfires in pegging reaction as just another utopian scheme. This completely ignores the post-libertarian roots of most of modern day reaction’s greatest thinkers. It is not as though we envision a better world to be any certain, i.e., “reactionary”, way, but only that it not be one way—specifically, not the one way that it is unmistakably going. Reactionaries contend for local customs for local peoples forming local particularities; the inalienable power of exit; the inherent limits of political voice; a patchwork of particularities not at risk from totalizing state intrusion.
When you can offer more power and status to Mr. Alexander for being a reactionary then he will march in line. I don’t know why anyone bothers,but if for some sentimental reasons you wish to bring them into camp there is the solution.
Progress marches not as a natural force of history but because it began marching as the Army of Parliament and Cromwell. It is only 370 years old. It works for power and ruin, but will not have staying power especially in it’s present and terminal form. He is a Protestant who’s cast away Jesus because he’s holier than Jesus, and he doesn’t even know this basic fact.
They march because it’s their heritage. In the last 50 years they’ve cast down Jesus, wielding arms themselves, and any notion of honor or truth. It’s.Over. Except for the screaming.
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It is a conspiracy, though they are at a loss to comprehend, since they don’t believe the devil even exists.
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Communism is the reactionary ideal? This doesn’t sound like someone worth bothering with.
On the other hand, the whole discussion does seem to be pointing up something that feels “off” to me about neoreaction, as opposed to regular reaction. Its arguments are nearly always consequentialist, i.e. avoid this aspect of liberalism because it will cause society to function more poorly by some amoral measure. This misses the heart of the matter that 1) liberals are advocating behavior that is intrinsically immoral and degrading, regardless of whether it has positive adaptive value for its host society, and 2) their vision of the good is false and contemptible.
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Bonald: Thanks for visiting. I think Scott Alexander gets a bit hoisted on his own somewhat aspergery petard at certain points. North Korea was definitely one of them. Overall, his is a worthy, but inadequate, critique against a worthy, yet inadequate, interpretation of reactionary thought.
I don’t think the idea that traditional culture is good because is in accord with the will of God, and the idea that traditional culture is good because it is adaptively advantageous, are necessarily opposed. In fact, I think they are closer to synonymous observations than not, and I don’t see how God would have it any other way.. The vision of the good IS adaptively advantageous in the long run on the large scale. Even God says so. Even pagans agree.
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When you can offer more power and status to Mr. Alexander for being a reactionary then he will march in line.
I don’t get this impression, VXXC, from what little I’ve read of him. He’s more likely a victim of the clever sillies than a mere sycophant. See my comment over there. He says something like, well, we’ve got contraception and condoms now, so the old rules, designed to prevent out-of-wedlock pregnancy and STDs are basically out the window. Whiskey? Tango? Foxtrot? His ideal universe would work quite well for the +2σ crowd.
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It is a conspiracy, though they are at a loss to comprehend, since they don’t believe the devil even exists.
It’s the devil’s most bestest trick!
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Mr. Steves,
Why again is Moldbug worth defending?
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Why again is Moldbug worth defending?
I don’t know how to take such a question seriously. He invented the Cathedral narrative; proved modern progressivism to be a direct memetic descendant of several Anglo-dissenter sects; and very nearly single-handedly resurrected the entire concept of reaction, promoting the forgotten prophets of the 18th and 19th centuries. For details, read Moldbug… all of it. (You may skip the poetry and cloud computing stuff if you wish.)
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It’s nearly impossible to predict when an enterprise that creates and loans money to itself at an interest rate it sets goes tits up. However…in normal non-quantum* economics reality the USG is bust at 5% interest on UST 3M.
*Why thank you for asking. If you accelerate the velocity of money towards the speed of light, it gathers mass and hence Value [although the opposite seems to be happening. Perhaps there’s a flaw in my model]. Should we break the racist [you can see it] and sexist [it was thought of] speed of light barrier, you would have infinite wealth at no inflation.
I’m awaiting my Nobel Prize any day now.
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Yes I have read most of his work and I am forced to conclude that “Neo-reaction” is just a slightly more edgy version of libertarianism. It is precisely that mentality that we have to get away from.
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I’m down to point 2.x and can conclude that [so far] we live on a different planet from this man.
Apparently he doesn’t have a problem with morning TV porn for instance [Dr Oz]. Porn out every media outlet. He does seem to love charts so fine – make the median point 1965. I have yet to see him raise divorce rates, illegitmacy rates, he pooh poohs crime. Things are just getting better everywhere. I’m amazed to see Progs halved global poverty. I might have thought that was capitalism and free trade [it was halved on our American backs]. Might think it was technology as well, but of course the government invented that…
OTOH trying to be more postive. Just came from a Newark fire station. No small amount of the firemen including the younger ones are also combat veterans. My point being – just enough of the kids are more than alright . To confess for all my defense of freedom and the American people having a say in their governance, I am only interested in appealing to the exceptional, the sacrificing, the Brave. Whatever future we have..it’s them.
Here’s one of their peers [to the extent this 24 year old has peers].
HIs name is Josh Hargis, and he was thought to be in a coma…
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/trending/PHOTO-Wounded-soldier-gives-salute-from-hospital-bed.html
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The bit about the murder as a proxy for crime always cracks me up. Most murders are disputes between 2 parties and have no indicate on how crime ridden an area is. Not mention place Detroit simply ignoring murder victims.
Worse are the suppression of the numbers on violent crime. A white couple was dragged out their car and beaten by a mob of black kids the other day. The member of the mob have only been charged with simple assault and they’re crime will never show up on those violent crime numbers.
In the end it’s property crime that indicates the crime level of your nation as the safety of your property is what creates an feeling of security in the mind of the public. If your town doesn’t have to lock it’s doors, then it’s a safe town. Property crime is always the first crime ignored by people trying to keep the numbers down.
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There’s no point in talking to them. For instance he is safe in his bubble. Hes’s never been a victim of crime. Therefore crime isn’t a problem. Also notice the complete reliance on 3d party evidence, charts, stats, et al…He doesn’t live in our world. He lives in Bubble world and looks outside at the rest of us.
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This man’s interface to Life – and it’s an interface – is data and the wonderful results it can bring.
Said data supports passions with causitry, it’s science don’t you know.
But they do not live Life, and hence there is nothing to talk about.
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Yes I have read most of his work and I am forced to conclude that “Neo-reaction” is just a slightly more edgy version of libertarianism. It is precisely that mentality that we have to get away from.
The ex-Trotskyist James Burnham noticed a similar thing about neo-cons (who were also reactionaries against liberalism): they still had the emotional gestalt of liberalism, the liberal sensitivity and temperament.
Here is Samuel Francis on the neo-conservatives. It might be instructive.
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But some neo-reactionaries are criticizing liberalism lock, stock, and barrel. It’s not just a move to the right, it’s a foundational change. That’s a very good thing, and unlike the neo-cons.
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The neo-cons just slid along the liberal political scale, a little rightward. You won’t get anywhere just sliding on the political scale. You need to convert right off it.
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I can’t make heads or tails of this Gnostic, idiosyncratic tendancy among my own near- and co-religionists to dismiss post-libertarian fellow travelers because they fail in the supernatural virtue of faith.
It is obvious to me (and Sts. Paul, Augustine, and Thomas Aquinas) that Nature, apart from Divine Revelation, teaches us certain edifying lessons. Peoples who obey such lessons will have more successful societies, irrespective of their baptism; peoples who deny Nature’s lessons will have less successful ones, in spite of theirs.
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I agree; and when I say “convert” it really just means “fundamentally change”, not necessarily “convert to Christianity”. Those of us who are Christian, though, know the score long-term.
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In the end it’s property crime that indicates the crime level of your nation as the safety of your property is what creates an feeling of security in the mind of the public. If your town doesn’t have to lock it’s doors, then it’s a safe town. Property crime is always the first crime ignored by people trying to keep the numbers down.
Well said, Red. I’ve noticed an uptick of property crime (attempted and otherwise) in my own neighborhood. The suckyness of things continues to grow. Reduced murder rates tell us more about improvements in medicine than they tell us about crime.
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Well, attempted murder is also down, so at least some of the decline is real. But how Alexander can claim this as any kind of triumph for “Progressives” is beyond me. Crime was relatively low in the 1950’s, when the U.S. was using more or less old-fashioned jurisprudence. Then came the progressive triumphs of Miranda, the Warren Court, and permissive imprisonment, and crime skyrocketed, reaching its highest point in the leftist 70’s. It was only the adoption of such basically reactionary measures as stop-and-frisk, civilian concealed carry, and long punitive terms of imprisonment that led to the crime decline of the 1990’s. And this yahoo wants to claim this as a progressive triumph? Typical. Leftism almost destroys a civilization, the Right rides to the rescue, and gets vilifies for it (“raciss!”) while the Left takes the credit. Rinse and repeat for Technological Progress” (progressives are fans of capitalism? Who knew!), Lack of Wars since WWII (yep, those sixties hippies loved that nuclear deterrent), and so on, and on, and on. Better hope that there are always well-meaning “conservatives” to ride to the rescue, Mr. Alexander…
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Moldbug did not prove anything about the modern left beinga direct decendant of the Puritans or anyone else. That notion is garbage. So they both rejected heretics. Big deal. Other than that they have nothing in common.
Notion that America is a Communist country, also garbage and laughable to anyone who experienced Communism and lived to tell.
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If you think, Dan, that the the Puritan Hypothesis is based on shared easily observable traits, then you don’t understand the Hypothesis at all. And sure, America is not a Communist country, but there is absolutely no doubt that it is a communist one, and about in the same way that Franco’s Spain was fascist and not Fascist . And BTW, this guy isn’t laughing about it.
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I can’t make heads or tails of this Gnostic, idiosyncratic tendancy among my own near- and co-religionists to dismiss post-libertarian fellow travelers because they fail in the supernatural virtue of faith.
Oh please. I do not reject any thinker merely because “they fail in the supernatural virtue of faith.” For example I routinely cite and rely on Christopher Lasch an atheist with Old Left roots. The fact is the “reactoshpere” is not reactionary in any meaningful way. It mainly consists of a bunch b-raters who mostly repackage 19th century Social mores/Utilitarianism/Manchester School liberalism and spin it as “reactionary.”
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Nick Steves,
Thanks for your reply.
(1) Re Communism/communism:We can say America is little ‘c’ communist, but what does that even mean when big ‘C’ Communism is such a loaded that that includes such a litany of horrible features that are just not present here? 100 million killings versus what? George Zimmerman, one of the most hated persons to the Left strolls free.
(2) As for the Puritan Hypothesis, I’ve read much of Moldbug, but have some teeny, tiny gripes:
(a) The Puritans were the hard working, suffering, faithful, and fertile founders of what was at least at once the greatest nation in history. We’re gonna blame them? Really? We should be so lucky to have actual Puritans among us. They actually believed in God and in Hell. Somebody quoted somebody else, saying “The virtues have gone mad because they have been isolated from each other and are wandering alone.” We are blaming some Puritans and their ‘virtues’ but those hadn’t been separated from God and each other back then.
(b) The chain of causation just has too many enormous gaps of time. Between happenings on the Moldbuggian timeline thousands of major events and people and intellectual events and movements occurred.
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George Zimmerman strolls free? Bill Ayers strolls free, actually quite a bit better than free.
And nobody is blaming the Puritans (except for being heretics, which they were). They didn’t invent the memetic virus. They were victims of it just like everyone else, they just did a helluva lot better job at propagating it than anyone else. And I don’t see what believing in God and Hell has to do with levelling and iconoclasm? Of course they believed in God and Hell. The whole freakin’ point is that they were “holier than Jesus” (and they were).
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“I have yet to see him raise divorce rates, illegitmacy rates, ”
He raised them. Here’s his solution:
“I would tentatively recommend my own strategy of sidestepping the problems with both hot men and hot women by dating a hot genderqueer.”
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Yes I have read most of his work and I am forced to conclude that “Neo-reaction” is just a slightly more edgy version of libertarianism. It is precisely that mentality that we have to get away from.
I’m not a ‘conservative’ because frankly I don’t see anything left to conserve, so ‘reactionary’ seems appropriate. Paleo-conservatives or traditionalists or however they label themselves should get familiar with libertarianism or more properly anarcho-capitalism, because that is where we are headed. There is no reforming the State at this point; this thing will just have to play itself out.
I don’t really understand the hate for libertarianism, properly understood. Think about life under a government (or warlord) that does nothing more than coordinate mutual defense and maintain property rights in exchange for the fees it extracts:
1. No immigrants, only owners, tenants and trespassers, who are shot by ranchers or die in the high desert.
2. No commie city councils issuing Pride parade permits. Deviants are driven out of town, not lionized and given police escorts.
3. Individuals, not taxpayers, pay for their due process. Sociopaths live short, unhappy lives under bridges or in wilderness areas, assuming they manage to avoid being shot in flagrante delicto.
4. The welfare state ends, and with it the multi-billion dollar flow of transfer payments from the K-selected to the r-selected ceases. Bums work or starve. Women select for husbandry and fatherhood instead of glibness and peacocking. Families stay intact and develop patronage networks.
5. Children are freed from the maw of the State’s public indoctrination system. Schooling ends at 16, if not 14, or even 12. Teenaged men really do “man up,” just as and the forced neoteny extending into the early 20’s finally begins to reverse.
I can generate a much longer list of toxic phenomena which would not exist but for the State. There is a current of thought, especially among Roman Catholic thinkers, who believe if we can just get access to the levers of power we can right the ship. The Catholic hierarchy in particular are doubling down on efforts to insinuate themselves with the modern democratic State, pursuing their dream of the Church back in its old role advising and counseling the State.
Nobody seems to be thinking too hard about the outcome where the centralized State loses its grip, and we have to start from scratch. On that final note, it’s too bad the Alawites and Christians in Syria didn’t do what the Kurds did, and have a national structure already in place for when their central State lost control.
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