Although I’m sure Jim Donald and Isegoria read each other, and probably share a fair number of sources, I’m not certain of coordination in this case. All of which makes the conclusions all the more frightening. After suggesting a clean transition to a military-style US Imperium as an almost perfect way out of our current stateside dilemma in Preparation for Civil War Two, Jim gives at least one very good reason why this is so unlikely:
Unfortunately such a tranquil transition seems improbable, for every officer above company grade in the US army is selected not only for political correctness, but, more importantly, for lack of military competence. The Cathedral fears losing a war with the US military far more than it fears the US military losing a war with some external enemy. A successful coup requires a leader who commands a reasonable level of respect from the junior officers. Being such a potential coup maker absolutely disqualifies officers for promotion above company grade.
And then, by way of Isegoria on Rank Incompetence, William S. Lind at TAC answers:
Why is military incompetence so widespread at the higher levels of America’s armed forces? Speaking from my own observations over almost 40 years, I can identify two factors. First, nowhere does our vast, multi-billion dollar military-education system teach military judgment. Second, above the rank of Army, Marine Corps, or Air Force captain, military ability plays essentially no role in determining who gets promoted.
In what amounts to universal journalistic malpractice, it goes criminally under-reported that the United States has not, in fact, won an actual war since 1945. We suffer still from the draw that was Korea, and Vietnam was an overtime loss. Since the Gulf War, it isn’t clear if American leaders even know what a war is anymore, much less what it would mean to win one. But as Thomas Ricks expertly pointed out in his the Atlantic article General Failure, we hardly ever fire generals for cause anymore. Whereas in WWII it was perfectly normal and expected occurrence.
Coincidence?
All of this lends confirmation to my suspicion that the US Military, the Red Empire, has itself been Cathedralized, i.e., brought under the reign of her once despised master the Blue Empire, and forced to implement a corporate culture that rewards ideological subservience in place of objective, demonstrable merit.
Certainly the US Military remains the most outrageously powerful fighting force in the world. But only so at increasingly costly supports, bureaucratic restraints, and political favor seeking. God forbid that we should go to war against a truly worthy opponent. If a bunch of low-IQ, towel-headed, pederast Pashtuns can outlast US Mil, just imagine what the Chinese could do.
Meanwhile, as Jim notes, the American people themselves, a self-well-regulating militia being necessary (in a pinch) for the security of a free state, are buying guns and ammo at an unprecedented rate. Hopefully, this is all just in case of the unlikely event that the increasingly blue Red Empire cannot get the job done all on its own.
[Update: Apropos of D-Day]
Patton says:
…Americans play to win all of the time. I wouldn’t give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed. That’s why Americans have never lost nor will ever lose a war; for the very idea of losing is hateful to an American.
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…I don’t want to get any messages saying, ‘I am holding my position.’ We are not holding a Goddamned thing. Let the Germans do that. We are advancing constantly and we are not interested in holding onto anything, except the enemy’s balls. We are going to twist his balls and kick the living shit out of him all of the time. Our basic plan of operation is to advance and to keep on advancing regardless of whether we have to go over, under, or through the enemy. We are going to go through him like crap through a goose….
…From time to time there will be some complaints that we are pushing our people too hard. I don’t give a good Goddamn about such complaints. I believe in the old and sound rule that an ounce of sweat will save a gallon of blood. The harder WE push, the more Germans we will kill. The more Germans we kill, the fewer of our men will be killed. Pushing means fewer casualties. I want you all to remember that.
(again via: Isegoria, where else?)
Compare & contrast with general US Mil strategy since 9/11.
When, when, when? It cannot happen soon enough. I await the horde of zombies that will emerge, not moaning for brains, but moaning about EBT, SNAP, welfare, Medicaid, and the like. It all must fall down.
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@EIMG
Thanks for visiting. Cannot say I’m looking forward to it, but I agree the current path is unsustainable. I’m hoping for a more graceful collapse. But it is best to be prepared.
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The soviet army was pretty ideologically purged circa 1941. After the initial disaster of Barbarossa the soviets got competent commanders and gradually (re) built a powerful army. The cathedral will not implode, and will remain powerful for the foreseeable future.
As far as the Patton quote goes, it sounds like bullshit bravado, the kind of thing he would tell the MUHREENS to keep up morale but didn’t actually practice or believe.
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Hi Tryptophan, well I wouldn’t put anything beyond Patton, but it does make for inspiring stuff. You gotta admit US Military behavior since WWII has been anything but inspiring (and inexpensive)… But sure they’ll probably adapt given a truly existential threat.
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And why pray is the military, unfamiliar to me who served in it, going to crush their own families?
We’re actually pretty competent, we simply have Generals and lower Officers who follow orders from politicians that are quite insane. See – ROE. Rules of Engagement are for *potential* belligerents. Not War. The Lawyers took that over, our Generals did not stop it [fuck protest, I care not for protests] and it gutted the will to close with and destroy the enemy. While the people remained quite silent as we were prosecuted for slapping some prisoners around.
You see the Progs take the field – in this case against the Military – while the rest cower.
So you’ll understand why the Generals cowered when threatened with Jail, and let all the nonsense go on.
You seem to take coups and the Military taking over very lightly. The Military does not, we’re to stay out of politics. That and the Oath to the Constitution are Sacred. As is – still – Honor and Duty. Our dysfunctions reflect the State, of which the Military is an Arm.
Really I think you should make calculations without entering the Military into them, you know absolutely nothing about the US Military and it’s evident from every Reactionary post.
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Lind is a bit of a theoretician. He appeals to academics. We have judgment all day and experience, it waits on bureaucrats and politicians.
If there’s an event Cops and Soldiers you want as friends. Be assured. As I was just telling Jim’s crowd we’re all pretty tight [former soldier, know a lot of vet cops] and often you know related. We make great friends. We’re terrible enemies. It’s practically Blood feud.
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Look here. This is all you need to do to restore order. In style. Really Gents please discover America before you either despair of it or try to rule it.
http://www.sanitaryum.com/2010/12/13/generally-so-awesome/you-loot-we-shoot-win/
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For what it’s worth – I disagree almost completely with Jim and Lind. American does not have “battles” of brigades of opposing nation state armies massed against each other anymore – and we neither need nor want Generals who would be good at managing that kind of fight in real time. That’s not the way modern war works – that’s not the way we want it to work; it doesn’t play to our comparative advantages. That’s not the complex system that we ask our senior officers to manage in a non-permissive legal environment of limited authorities. They do it very well considering the constraints – about as well as anyone can, and people who don’t really understand it should be more judicious before deploying their nonsensical, reality-free criticisms.
This is kind of like the AI “Malthusian” problem in an abstract way. Hardware improves exponentially, but software is, so far (not “self-improving”), more linear in development. Many other computation-intensive software applications (e.g. voice and face recognition) were developed long ago and had to wait until the hardware caught up to make it cheap enough to implement in the places people wanted it – like your smart phone. AI applications were similar and now it seems there is a good argument that the hardware has surpassed the software.
The American military logistical delivery, surveillance, and kinetic targeting apparatus is like that hardware which has changed the nature of conflict (pushing enemies to rely on alternative guerrilla tactics) and which has now surpassed the software of the way we are (legally required and/or under severe political-leadership policy constraints) to conduct these different sorts of operations.
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Handle:
Playing to “our comparative advantages” seems approximately to be: we are two orders of magnitude richer, and therefore more sophisticated, than any post WWII enemy (yet) encountered. We can therefore win any skirmish in air, on ground or sea. And no doubt we will. Yet it is undeniable that we don’t win wars anymore. That plays to our strengths, too?
But the criticism is directed almost entirely at the constraints. The problems indeed are political, not technical, and certainly not the fighting spirit of the lower ranks.
VXXC:
I’m not sure where anyone said the US soldiers would shoot at his own family. I too tend to doubt it. I too find soldiers and cops to be the good guys. But the soldiers (and the cops) are being led by politicians, and those politicians no longer an exogenous force, but now within the armed forces, spreading top down. The military has (very slowly) become just another Cathedralized bureaucracy… one that merely happens to have all the big guns.
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@handle – good points. It’s the constraints.
It’s complex cuz the lawyers want their peace of “Red Empire.
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Nick – by family I mean their own demographic. Mind you ..it’s getting pretty much a family business at that. Generational like firefighting. you can literally watch it happen if you’re around long enough. Why do you think it’s called Red? But they take the Constitution very seriously and staying out of politics seriously. Jesus Christ get on the Internet, since that’s apparently where people get info from.
Bureaucracy and it’s dysfunctions we got good at getting around. The lawyers are a challenge but we get around them too, we develop the same contempt for veracity they have, as well as contempt for Law*. No one believes in this nonsense, they pay lip service to it.
*why what a wise move that was oh Cathedral sages. Mad conspiracy of no madmen at all Nick is still…Mad.
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No one believes in this nonsense, they pay lip service to it.
Same in my line of work, too. And yet… it lives.
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Nick – what would restore *anything* but the Constitution is probably the only thing we’ll all suffer, what would restore?
Except faith…and more importantly ties that bind? Bonds? RELIGIO?
Do such bonds exist?
They do.
For instance Foesti, Handle and I are all “bound”. By Oath. Sacred whether the Divine was invoked or not. Oaths BIND. They’re meant to….not for when it’s easy or PROFITABLE, but for when it’s NOT.
And if The Divine was invoked I have observed He enforces His Contracts. I’ve also observed you can’t run from Him. Or fight Him.
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VXXC: okay, but are you’re asking me or telling me?
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